from a little bird... .
interesting portions highlighted.
notes from annual meeting (oct 3, 2009) .
: Bro. Barr repeated twice, "Jesus Christ meant lives of the anointed who were on hand in 1914 would overlap with those whose lives of the anointed see the start of the Great Tribulation."
I'm not surprised by the attempt to put some urgency back into the generation teaching. It was a real cash cow for them in the 80s.
But this overlapping lives idea is just plain retarded. It reeks of desperation to me.
I can't wait for the WT article. I foresee much use of the word "evidently"....
pioneer hour change is legit.
letters are being mailed out soon to all congregations for announcement in early october right before the tract campaign starts.. .
elimination of circuit overseers.
: The doors of the Ark are closing...
Damn straight! And don't wait 'till 1975. The door is going to be shut before then.
;)
pioneer hour change is legit.
letters are being mailed out soon to all congregations for announcement in early october right before the tract campaign starts.. .
elimination of circuit overseers.
I wonder if they'll find a way to tie some urgency to the "generation" teaching once again...
i was disfellowshipped in 1995. even though i lost my friends and family, i felt like i had been finally set free and was happy for many years.
while i was a jehovah's witness, i always felt so miserable.
i never felt like i was doing enough to please jehovah.
Look at me everyone!
this may have been discussed elsewhere on this board but is something i've become increasingly aware of, and that's the apostasy issue.
growing up, i don't think anyone ever explained what it meant, nor did i ask - i just knew it was 'bad' and punishable by disfellowshipping.
therefore it is fairly embarrassing to say that until a few minutes ago and looking it up in a dictionary, i did not know what the meaning was.
: do you mean that by the witnesses calling ones Apostate, they're name calling and labelling?
Yes. "Name-calling" is number one on the list of the "seven common propaganda devices" as defined by the Institute for Propaganda Analysis. It's a time-tested propaganda tactic whereby the arguments or ideas of a group of people may be completely ignored, because they're just "commies" or "queers" or "apostates"....
"Name calling is both a logical fallacy and cognitive bias, and a technique to promote propaganda. Propagandists use the name-calling technique to incite fears and arouse prejudices with the intent that invoked fear based on fearmongering tactics will encourage those that read, see or hear propaganda to construct a negative opinion about a person, group, or set of beliefs or ideas that the propagandist would wish the recipients to denounce. The method is intended to provoke conclusions and actions about a matter apart from an impartial examinations of the facts of the matter. When employed, name-calling is thus a substitute for rational, fact-based arguments against an idea or belief, based upon its own merits." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name-calling)
this may have been discussed elsewhere on this board but is something i've become increasingly aware of, and that's the apostasy issue.
growing up, i don't think anyone ever explained what it meant, nor did i ask - i just knew it was 'bad' and punishable by disfellowshipping.
therefore it is fairly embarrassing to say that until a few minutes ago and looking it up in a dictionary, i did not know what the meaning was.
"Some people insult those who disagree with them by questioning character or motives instead of focusing on the facts. Name-calling slaps a negative, easy-to-remember label onto a person, a group, or an idea. The name-caller hopes that the label will stick. If people reject the person or the idea on the basis of the negative label instead of weighing the evidence for themselves, the name-caller's strategy has worked."
–Awake!, June 22, 2000 page 6.
just wondering of those that pray and who have left the organisation, do you still address god as jehovah?.
i think i'm currently in that awkward stage where i'm neither in or out, yet don't feel i should even address, or have the right, to talk to god (jehovah) until i decide where i sit.
so i'm wondering if it's hypocritical to pray and use his name.
I'm with PSacramento on this one. "Jehovah" is just a made up word. It is not and never was God's name.
Jesus was asked specifically by his disciples to teach them how to pray, and he instructed them to address God as "Father"....
thought this one was quite creepy - the article to be studied january 11-17 "treasure your place in the congregation", page 13 para 5 reads (italics mine):.
"the spirit that now operates in the sons of disobedience" is so widespread that it is like the air we breathe.
(eph.
Is this the part where we pretend it's acceptable for a jw to socialize with ex-jws and apostates?
Don't get me wrong... I'm happy you're here. I just have issues with hypocrisy...
thought this one was quite creepy - the article to be studied january 11-17 "treasure your place in the congregation", page 13 para 5 reads (italics mine):.
"the spirit that now operates in the sons of disobedience" is so widespread that it is like the air we breathe.
(eph.
: I treasure my place
If that were true you wouldn't be here.
http://exjehovahswitnessforum.yuku.com.
http://www.jwsupportforum.com/index.php.
http://www.jehovahswitnessrecovery.com/.
How much sense does this make:
"People hated Enoch and evidently would have murdered him had Jehovah not cut his life short." (par 5)
Couldn't it be reworded as:
People hated Enoch and evidently would have cut his life short had Jehovah not murdered him.
Or:
People hated Enoch and evidently would have murdered him had Jehovah not murdered him.
According to Watchtower doctrine, only the "anointed" 144,000 go to heaven and the WTS says this group does not include Enoch or any of the Old Testament saints. This situation forces the WTS to come up with an alternative explanation for Gen 1:24 which says "God took [Enoch] away" (NIV).
Also note the WTS' use of the word "evidently". "Evidently" people hated Enoch and would have murdered him if "Jehovah" hadn't beaten them to it. Any time you see the word "evidently" in Watchtower material it means the complete OPPOSITE of what you'd think. It means there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE for this assertion; it is pure conjecture....
Hebrews 11:5 says that God took Enoch away and "he did not experience death". The Watchtower Society did their best to obfuscate Hebrews 11:5 in the NWT, but the fact is that even in the NWT it is clear that Enoch DID NOT SEE DEATH:
By faith Enoch was transferred so as not to see death, and he was nowhere to be found because God had transferred him; for before his transference he had the witness that he had pleased God well. (NWT)
Just another bible verse that Jehovah's Witnesses DO NOT BELIEVE.
